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Fandom After Dark
NSFW Ahoy!
Anything goes!
Anything goes!
YES! But also, why? But mostly, yes!
I don't understand...why post pictures of Stephen in a bathtub? Why not, is the question!
Oh, no, THAT'S blatantly obvious to me. I'm just wondering why he decided to shoot this in a bathtub in the first place. I'm not complaining though!
Bertie in the books:
Bertie is just very, very kind. I am a bit of a know-it-all and I tend to look down on people who don‘t know the name of the second wife of the last French king or something like this, but Bertie has really shown me that intelligence and knowledge are not the ultimately desirable qualities in a person; he‘s shown me that kindness and and an open heart can be much more valuable than that.
Bertie on telly:
So, I have to mention that what I‘m about to say stands in NO CONNECTION AT ALL to the porn we are writing and reading here.
Well, I love televised Bertie, because he reminds me so strongly of my brother; who is not only very cheery and kind like him and always helps his pals out of the soup, but who loves fashion just like Bertie does and who owns a large collection of purple socks, pink shirts and patterned Stetson hats.
Bertie is just very, very kind. I am a bit of a know-it-all and I tend to look down on people who don‘t know the name of the second wife of the last French king or something like this, but Bertie has really shown me that intelligence and knowledge are not the ultimately desirable qualities in a person; he‘s shown me that kindness and and an open heart can be much more valuable than that.
Bertie on telly:
So, I have to mention that what I‘m about to say stands in NO CONNECTION AT ALL to the porn we are writing and reading here.
Well, I love televised Bertie, because he reminds me so strongly of my brother; who is not only very cheery and kind like him and always helps his pals out of the soup, but who loves fashion just like Bertie does and who owns a large collection of purple socks, pink shirts and patterned Stetson hats.
Kill two birds with one stone?
Here's a different sort of aspect that Bertie, as a rich white British male character, symbolizes for me. So much of the media I consume is centered on upper-class white men and it really annoys me sometimes how they're held as the universal standard for subjects worthy of attention and how I just fall for it. I sometimes wonder whose stories I'm missing out on because I'm too busy absorbing yet another white dude's perspective.
Not to mention the nerdiness of the nostalgia for these imaginary idealized "civilized" "good old days" in England. PGW satirized that but it's not like he was some kind of social justice warrior.
Of course it's not as simple as "all British people = colonizers and oppressors" but I think it is worth asking why the world loves commodifying and fetishizing British culture so much and how so many of us become "anglophiles."
I'm mostly cool with this and used to it because it applies to nearly every fandom I've been into. Everything/everyone is problematic in some way so you just have to be a critical fan of the things you love.
Not to mention the nerdiness of the nostalgia for these imaginary idealized "civilized" "good old days" in England. PGW satirized that but it's not like he was some kind of social justice warrior.
Of course it's not as simple as "all British people = colonizers and oppressors" but I think it is worth asking why the world loves commodifying and fetishizing British culture so much and how so many of us become "anglophiles."
I'm mostly cool with this and used to it because it applies to nearly every fandom I've been into. Everything/everyone is problematic in some way so you just have to be a critical fan of the things you love.
Interesting! Yes, Harry Potter definitely fits that mold, as does Brideshead Revisited to name two that spring to mind. As an American, I definitely fetishize England the way some fans fetishize the Old West, etc.
Regarding Wodehouse's intent with Bertie, here is a (long) excerpt from George Orwell's 1946 essay, "In Defense of P.G. Wodehouse":
"Wodehouse had discovered the comic possibilities of the English aristocracy, and a succession of ridiculous but, save in a very few instances, not actually contemptible barons, earls and what-not followed accordingly. This had the rather curious effect of causing Wodehouse to be regarded, outside England, as a penetrating satirist of English society. This is a mistake that it would be very difficult for an English person to make, and is a good instance of the way in which books, especially humorous books, lose their finer nuances when they reach a foreign audience. For it is clear enough that Wodehouse is not anti-British, and not anti-upper-class either. On the contrary, a harmless old-fashioned snobbishness is perceptible all through his work. Wodehouse’s attitude towards the English social system is the same as his attitude towards the public-school moral code – a mild facetiousness covering an unthinking acceptance. The Earl of Emsworth is funny because an earl ought to have more dignity, and Bertie Wooster’s helpless dependence on Jeeves is funny partly because the servant ought not to be superior to the master. An American reader can mistake these two, and others like them, for hostile caricatures because they correspond to his preconceived ideas about a decadent aristocracy. Bertie Wooster, with his spats and his cane, is the traditional stage Englishman. But, as any English reader would see, Wodehouse intends him as a sympathetic figure, and Wodehouse’s real sin has been to present the English upper classes as much nicer people than they are.
A humorous writer is not obliged to keep up to date, and having struck one or two good veins, Wodehouse continued to exploit them with a regularity that was no doubt all the easier because he did not set foot in England during the 16 years that preceded his internment. His picture of English society had been formed before 1914, and it was a naïve, traditional and, at bottom, admiring picture."
(For what Orwell is writing about, look it up.)
"Wodehouse had discovered the comic possibilities of the English aristocracy, and a succession of ridiculous but, save in a very few instances, not actually contemptible barons, earls and what-not followed accordingly. This had the rather curious effect of causing Wodehouse to be regarded, outside England, as a penetrating satirist of English society. This is a mistake that it would be very difficult for an English person to make, and is a good instance of the way in which books, especially humorous books, lose their finer nuances when they reach a foreign audience. For it is clear enough that Wodehouse is not anti-British, and not anti-upper-class either. On the contrary, a harmless old-fashioned snobbishness is perceptible all through his work. Wodehouse’s attitude towards the English social system is the same as his attitude towards the public-school moral code – a mild facetiousness covering an unthinking acceptance. The Earl of Emsworth is funny because an earl ought to have more dignity, and Bertie Wooster’s helpless dependence on Jeeves is funny partly because the servant ought not to be superior to the master. An American reader can mistake these two, and others like them, for hostile caricatures because they correspond to his preconceived ideas about a decadent aristocracy. Bertie Wooster, with his spats and his cane, is the traditional stage Englishman. But, as any English reader would see, Wodehouse intends him as a sympathetic figure, and Wodehouse’s real sin has been to present the English upper classes as much nicer people than they are.
A humorous writer is not obliged to keep up to date, and having struck one or two good veins, Wodehouse continued to exploit them with a regularity that was no doubt all the easier because he did not set foot in England during the 16 years that preceded his internment. His picture of English society had been formed before 1914, and it was a naïve, traditional and, at bottom, admiring picture."
(For what Orwell is writing about, look it up.)
Edited 2019-06-18 00:51 (UTC)
The rubber ducky in the 1st one :3
Why in a bathtub? Comedians were in all kinds of locations-art galleries, open fields, and Spike Milligan was curled up in a chair in a nightcap.
I guess it was supposed to be funny but if you as me it's one of those times when instead of being funny he is unintentionally sexy instead. :P
*in addition to being funny he is unintentional sexy 😁
Quite agree, quite agree!
I'm sure you interesting people could make some interesting fandom confessions. So let's hear some!
Confessions of the amusing sort preferred and no negativity, please. :)
Confessions of the amusing sort preferred and no negativity, please. :)
Sorry for all of the deletions! Apparently I can't post a photo anonymously, so here it is:
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What kind of confessions? Which fandoms we‘re in to or what embarrassing storylines we‘ve invented?
Any kind of confession in connection with Jeeves & Wooster.
Oh, well THEN...
The silliest thing I can say about this is that a few weeks ago I had a dream of being in the sauna with S. Fry (or Jeeves?) only that the sauna looked like an Edwardian train station hall and there was a butler standing at the side.
I suppose this was a starting point for a proper wet dream, but just as it was getting interesting (or scary, really) my flat-mate woke me up...
Couldn‘t get it out of my head for a few days though.
The silliest thing I can say about this is that a few weeks ago I had a dream of being in the sauna with S. Fry (or Jeeves?) only that the sauna looked like an Edwardian train station hall and there was a butler standing at the side.
I suppose this was a starting point for a proper wet dream, but just as it was getting interesting (or scary, really) my flat-mate woke me up...
Couldn‘t get it out of my head for a few days though.
I've had a few dreams about meeting or hanging out with Stephen and becoming friends, but for some reason I don't recall my subconscious supplying me with a NSFW dream about him, which is just not fair. If someone woke me up when I was about to have a sexy dream about him I would be SO annoyed.
I am moderately embarrassed to admit that I get fashion inspiration from J&W sometimes. I'm a young American woman who occasionally dresses like an old British man. I just love dapper menswear and tweed and sock garters and stuff. It wouldn't be so bad if I just had a consistent vintage style or were a proper legit cosplayer, the problem is, my wardrobe is a hot mess. I don't care enough to do my research so it's just a mishmash of old-timey clothes from different eras and styles. 😂
Oh, I‘d like to have a dream about becoming friends instead of, well, what I had. I‘m not complaining, but I am not that much into Mr Fry sexually, and it‘d be nice to have a platonic dream about him.
On the other hand, your mind supplies you with the dreams your subconscious wants, doesn‘t it?
On the other hand, your mind supplies you with the dreams your subconscious wants, doesn‘t it?
I think having a mixture-style is quite all right!
My brother e.g. has the most amazing mixture of Gopnik/Gatsby, and looks really cool (most of the time).
I also have a lot of different items, mostly vintage (incl. a number of hand-me-downs from my brother-in-law to my great-uncle).
Anything is better than another Hollister-zombie...
(I don‘t know if Hollister is hip over the Bog Pond, here it is:))
My brother e.g. has the most amazing mixture of Gopnik/Gatsby, and looks really cool (most of the time).
I also have a lot of different items, mostly vintage (incl. a number of hand-me-downs from my brother-in-law to my great-uncle).
Anything is better than another Hollister-zombie...
(I don‘t know if Hollister is hip over the Bog Pond, here it is:))
I can add a confession here and I'm afraid I have to warn you that it deals with some past negativity but believe me I feel really, really bad about it now. Oh dear... *takes a deep breath*
The first time I watched Jeeves and Wooster I only made it about 5 minutes into the first episode, then decided that kind of humor was way too silly for me and gave up on it. Forgive me, but to tell you the ugly truth, back then I simply could not stand seeing "that House actor" not being able to get a single word out. I thought that it was terribly annoying and stupid and I just hated it. 😳
Later after reading Wodehouse I returned to the TV series and became a fan.
The first time I watched Jeeves and Wooster I only made it about 5 minutes into the first episode, then decided that kind of humor was way too silly for me and gave up on it. Forgive me, but to tell you the ugly truth, back then I simply could not stand seeing "that House actor" not being able to get a single word out. I thought that it was terribly annoying and stupid and I just hated it. 😳
Later after reading Wodehouse I returned to the TV series and became a fan.
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